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Post by Osa on Sept 14, 2010 10:17:17 GMT -5
So we are steering away from the rules for PvP that have been on Talus or is this just for Smuggler's Point? I thought the rules were set to deter those gamers who like to gain levels fast so they can run around pking others? The few instances I have either been involved or around PvP the attacking was done with true rp involved not one side's version of it. I'm not talking out against Osa's running SP. I just know from past experiences that opening up the avenue for unsupervised pking without both pcs' consent can bring about false rp just for the sake of killing another pc. Having been around several different players that enjoy being 'evil' ingame, not everyone understands or cares to rp the wicked like most others may expect. Anyhow, I didn't mean to write a novel, I just see breaking away from the set rules of PvP even on SP could cause bad things to happen. I am sure BW will correct me if I am wrong.. This new pvp and PP is for Smugglers only for now.. and If the players do take advantage of this I am sure it will be stop quickly. I am fairly sure DM JAIL will happen. SP will be that area as an experiment to see how mature our current Player base is... Come on your going to where their are Pirates ( a older version of gangsters) Tell me for one instants if you walk into whether by accedent or purpose to East LA, Bloods or Crips area you are not going to go there very carefully? The pirates are not reading "Goodnight Moon" ( as bw said) they are rough and should talerate a very few. Lets give it a shot! If a player is misusing this area then take it up with BW! Cause no matter who it is. ( even me which I get the ok of the player, OSA IS NOT going to be use to pp or pvp, she's more less going to be safe passage) BW will not put up with it. |
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Post by duster on Sept 14, 2010 10:17:53 GMT -5
Every Great mmo Ive ever played. Their has been a designated no holds bar pvp area. Usually in this areas their is certain rewards a person can obtain that others that choose not to participate cannot. This some times causes the pve crowed to be upset. I think you guys making this server friendly to multiple kinds of players is a great thing. I see my self as a hardcore gamer. Were some might not like that but thats my gaming style. But I can also respect and enjoy none hardcore gamers play style. I think that people that don't want to participate should stay clear of the area thats all. I don't think their trying to change rules just making a designated area for some hard core role playing. Just my 2 cents not intended to hurt any ones feeelings.
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Post by Edohvi on Sept 14, 2010 10:37:06 GMT -5
Well the pirates are the npcs and being attacked by npc is of course natural. I'm referring to those pcs who look forward to the chance to just pk for the fun of it and make up some rp to go along with it. Having a designated area is one thing but as stated before when a scripted quest is there or the chance that I may wish to buy a better bow for my pc has to be thought about differently because I may run into a pc that their only purpose is to pk others or pp them to start a pk situation, its just something I didn't see being done on Talus. There are planty of pk servers to feed the bloodlust of those types of players. to say to a player you can make the choice of going to SP at the risk of dying or getting robbed to setup rp to be killed is somewhat against how things have been done on Talus. Of course, if the goal here is to encourage pk players to hop on Talus to await their next victims at SP then say so. Having real rp for attacking another player/pc very seldom exists when you encourage this type of behavior. But who am I to say anything, really? I have noticed a slack in the way things are going on Talus lately as is. Yeah, I'll be the weaker one and stay away from pkers because all it brings to engage them is more pking and less enjoyment of the game. So, as has been said...enjoy your killing and pickpocketing each other, my less exciting gaming will be done to myself as usual.
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Post by Osa on Sept 14, 2010 12:23:40 GMT -5
Well the pirates are the npcs and being attacked by npc is of course natural. I'm referring to those pcs who look forward to the chance to just pk for the fun of it and make up some rp to go along with it. Having a designated area is one thing but as stated before when a scripted quest is there or the chance that I may wish to buy a better bow for my pc has to be thought about differently because I may run into a pc that their only purpose is to pk others or pp them to start a pk situation, its just something I didn't see being done on Talus. There are planty of pk servers to feed the bloodlust of those types of players. to say to a player you can make the choice of going to SP at the risk of dying or getting robbed to setup rp to be killed is somewhat against how things have been done on Talus. Of course, if the goal here is to encourage pk players to hop on Talus to await their next victims at SP then say so. Having real rp for attacking another player/pc very seldom exists when you encourage this type of behavior. But who am I to say anything, really? I have noticed a slack in the way things are going on Talus lately as is. Yeah, I'll be the weaker one and stay away from pkers because all it brings to engage them is more pking and less enjoyment of the game. So, as has been said...enjoy your killing and pickpocketing each other, my less exciting gaming will be done to myself as usual. Like BW said Items over 2 or was it 3 squares is to be given back ooc.. If someone makes up RP. And you dont agree with it, then take it up with a DM no one is holding a gun to your head to force you to participate.. I would also ask for Dm custom Items to be given back ooc as well I got a few that are custom made I got on quest ect that I would want back.. Expect the return of items ooc from all my rogues |
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Post by Osa on Sept 14, 2010 12:26:33 GMT -5
Well the pirates are the npcs and being attacked by npc is of course natural. I'm referring to those pcs who look forward to the chance to just pk for the fun of it and make up some rp to go along with it. Having a designated area is one thing but as stated before when a scripted quest is there or the chance that I may wish to buy a better bow for my pc has to be thought about differently because I may run into a pc that their only purpose is to pk others or pp them to start a pk situation, its just something I didn't see being done on Talus. There are planty of pk servers to feed the bloodlust of those types of players. to say to a player you can make the choice of going to SP at the risk of dying or getting robbed to setup rp to be killed is somewhat against how things have been done on Talus. Of course, if the goal here is to encourage pk players to hop on Talus to await their next victims at SP then say so. Having real rp for attacking another player/pc very seldom exists when you encourage this type of behavior. But who am I to say anything, really? I have noticed a slack in the way things are going on Talus lately as is. Yeah, I'll be the weaker one and stay away from pkers because all it brings to engage them is more pking and less enjoyment of the game. So, as has been said...enjoy your killing and pickpocketing each other, my less exciting gaming will be done to myself as usual. Like BW said Items over 2 or was it 3 squares is to be given back ooc.. If someone makes up RP. And you dont agree with it, then take it up with a DM no one is holding a gun to your head to force you to participate.. (( Added)) and there is nothing said you can't just log off if you're not a willing participant.. I would HIGHLY suggest to stay off SP! I would also ask for Dm custom Items to be given back ooc as well I got a few that are custom made I got on quest ect that I would want back.. Expect the return of items ooc from all my rogues I think the change will be a good thing. I look forward to it.. as long as the players on the other end dont take it personal.. then it should go off w/o a hitch |
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Post by Badwater on Sept 14, 2010 14:41:54 GMT -5
Well the pirates are the npcs and being attacked by npc is of course natural. I'm referring to those pcs who look forward to the chance to just pk for the fun of it and make up some rp to go along with it. Having a designated area is one thing but as stated before when a scripted quest is there or the chance that I may wish to buy a better bow for my pc has to be thought about differently because I may run into a pc that their only purpose is to pk others or pp them to start a pk situation, its just something I didn't see being done on Talus. There are planty of pk servers to feed the bloodlust of those types of players. to say to a player you can make the choice of going to SP at the risk of dying or getting robbed to setup rp to be killed is somewhat against how things have been done on Talus. Of course, if the goal here is to encourage pk players to hop on Talus to await their next victims at SP then say so. Having real rp for attacking another player/pc very seldom exists when you encourage this type of behavior. But who am I to say anything, really? I have noticed a slack in the way things are going on Talus lately as is. Yeah, I'll be the weaker one and stay away from pkers because all it brings to engage them is more pking and less enjoyment of the game. So, as has been said...enjoy your killing and pickpocketing each other, my less exciting gaming will be done to myself as usual. Here is what I envision for now....first, a restating of the PvP Rules: • Intentional PvP is allowed under the following conditions:
– Players involved have agreed to pvp at any time
– Players involved agree to a duel
– Attacker was pickpocketed by the other pc
– Attacker was unquestionably provoked (fighting words) more than 5 times in character and the attacker fails a *will check* dc 5 (ones always fail, and only allowed to try once per insult after the fifth time).
– Killer raises killed immediately after battle
– A DM is present and has expressly stated it to be allowedIn Smuggler's Point a DM will not have to be present. The fact that you are on Sumuggler's Point means that you have agreed to PvP. I will allow PvP provided that there have been "fighting words" 3 times on the part of the attacker. The prospective attacker must allow enough time for his/her victim to respond. Only then may you kill another PC. So let's say you're in Smuggler's Point and a gang of evil PCs starts picking a fight and you want no part of it. Token out, simple as that. Go back a different time when those characters are not there. There are plenty of places to adventure in Talus. That's one reason why I picked Smuggler's; it lends itself to this kind of PvP experimentation, and there's an easy out for any character that doesn't want to participate. Keep in mind that I can read conversation at any time, including tells. I can also look up combat actions if I choose to do that kind of legwork. PPing may happen at any time without warning. PPers MUST observe the rules I have outlined or risk being banned. I will not let immature roleplaying screw things up for anyone else. PvP attacks cannot happen outside of the above guidelines. For now there will be no assassinations unless the players involved have agreed to it and a DM is present. That is to say we really don't have the player numbers to be dealing with an assassination guild and I don't want to deal with the fallout of something like that at this point. Provided this experiment goes well, I will create a larger area where PvP can happen with more lax rules - a no man's land, if you will, where anything goes (within reason). Where if someone walks up to you and kills you without warning, well, that's the way it is. A place like that will be out of the way, however, where new players and characters that don't want to be there can't stumble upon it. A place like that would be clearly labeled as such both in the game and on these boards. |
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Post by Osa on Sept 15, 2010 14:17:13 GMT -5
There are those that believe EVIL PC"S must kill everyone ( PVP) both pc and npc to be EVIL>.
They also come from the mindset all Rogues are evil.. NOT So...
I hope no one kills anyone for the sake of RPing Evil..
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HC Sayuri
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"Under one Holy Sigil we are joined, for the Honor of the Crown, and the Crusade of Good!"
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Post by HC Sayuri on Sept 15, 2010 18:33:52 GMT -5
Killing is quite natural, and many would argue, even good, under some circumstances. Murder on the other hand is a simple definition, created by a legal system, to define under what circumstance and intent, killing is not socially acceptable. Now, remove the legal system, and any cohesive social structure.....sound like anyplace we know?  If your going to play with fire, sooner or later, someone is going to get burned, and chances are, its going to be those who are standing closest to said fire. FFT |
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